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Lazarus dF star
Number of posts : 3337 Registration date : 2008-06-12
| Subject: Eccentric planet versus 2:1 resonance 9th September 2008, 7:52 am | |
| Apparently several of the eccentric planets in the current lists of exoplanets may actually be systems with 2:1 resonant orbits in disguise. (Similar to the discovery of Gliese 876c) arXiv: How eccentric orbital solutions can hide planetary systems in 2:1 resonant orbits - Quote :
- We find that a significant fraction of the published eccentric one-planet solutions might instead be multiple planet systems in near circular orbits, and that several planets with masses comparable to Earth could have already been detected.
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Edasich dK star
Number of posts : 2285 Location : Tau Ceti g - Mid Latitudes Registration date : 2008-06-02
| Subject: Re: Eccentric planet versus 2:1 resonance 9th September 2008, 2:23 pm | |
| I've noticed the presence of WASP-10 in planetary table at page 8. May even that one hide additional (low mass) planets? Who knows... I should try a Systemic Console simulation. | |
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Darkness nova Asteroid
Number of posts : 69 Location : Octans Registration date : 2008-06-12
| Subject: Re: Eccentric planet versus 2:1 resonance 15th September 2008, 8:35 pm | |
| This is interesting and potentially both creepy even if it does happen allt he time "aka we got the data wrong and I've been modlin the wrong planets" but it also makes the potentail systems even more intresting. | |
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Sirius_Alpha Admin
Number of posts : 4320 Location : Earth Registration date : 2008-04-06
| Subject: Re: Eccentric planet versus 2:1 resonance 16th September 2008, 3:17 pm | |
| I certainly hope this is a common scenario... there are a lot of eccentric jovians that have been detected. _________________ Caps Lock: Cruise control for 'Cool'!
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youknowandy Meteor
Number of posts : 27 Registration date : 2008-06-16
| Subject: are some planets actually two 1:2 resonant planets? 27th September 2008, 2:41 am | |
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Lazarus dF star
Number of posts : 3337 Registration date : 2008-06-12
| Subject: Re: Eccentric planet versus 2:1 resonance 27th September 2008, 6:52 am | |
| (this post no longer necessary now threads have been merged)
Last edited by Lazarus on 27th September 2008, 1:34 pm; edited 2 times in total | |
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NuclearVacuum Terrestrial Planet
Number of posts : 155 Age : 34 Location : Delta Trianguli Registration date : 2008-07-05
| Subject: Re: Eccentric planet versus 2:1 resonance 27th September 2008, 9:15 am | |
| That does actually make a lot of sense. There are some planets who's mass is not pinpointed exactly. I always assumed that may be the affect of a double planet, but this could be a good hypothesis | |
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Lazarus dF star
Number of posts : 3337 Registration date : 2008-06-12
| Subject: Re: Eccentric planet versus 2:1 resonance 27th September 2008, 10:59 am | |
| I think we should merge the threads about this... | |
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Sirius_Alpha Admin
Number of posts : 4320 Location : Earth Registration date : 2008-04-06
| Subject: Re: Eccentric planet versus 2:1 resonance 27th September 2008, 12:51 pm | |
| Good idea; merged. _________________ Caps Lock: Cruise control for 'Cool'!
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Darkness nova Asteroid
Number of posts : 69 Location : Octans Registration date : 2008-06-12
| Subject: Re: Eccentric planet versus 2:1 resonance 1st October 2008, 4:21 pm | |
| Hmm....now to see peoples redo the numbers....which I really hope doesn't take a loooong time.
I wonder how much equipment one need to do these things....make it soooooo much easier if a well versed amateur with some money could do so....((Hurray impatience.)) | |
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Sirius_Alpha Admin
Number of posts : 4320 Location : Earth Registration date : 2008-04-06
| Subject: Re: Eccentric planet versus 2:1 resonance 1st October 2008, 6:40 pm | |
| It's a matter of gathering more, precise RV data. _________________ Caps Lock: Cruise control for 'Cool'!
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Lazarus dF star
Number of posts : 3337 Registration date : 2008-06-12
| Subject: Re: Eccentric planet versus 2:1 resonance 2nd October 2008, 7:24 am | |
| Thing is this is a so-called degeneracy: you can't tell the difference between the two situations until planet-planet interactions cause the system to evolve (so redoing the numbers with existing data isn't really going to prove anything). Depending on the masses and orbital periods, it might be some time before this becomes apparent, so long-term monitoring of these systems is important. | |
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Darkness nova Asteroid
Number of posts : 69 Location : Octans Registration date : 2008-06-12
| Subject: Re: Eccentric planet versus 2:1 resonance 12th October 2008, 5:55 pm | |
| Long term eh?
Exactley HOW long term are we talking here? | |
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Sirius_Alpha Admin
Number of posts : 4320 Location : Earth Registration date : 2008-04-06
| Subject: Re: Eccentric planet versus 2:1 resonance 12th October 2008, 7:56 pm | |
| Depends really on the system. If the planet-planet interactions are stronger, and thus the orbits of the planets evolve faster, then it'll be sooner than if the planet-planet interactions are barely detectable. I'd say it would typically be decades of collecting data for the average (stable) system though. _________________ Caps Lock: Cruise control for 'Cool'!
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