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- It should have been published in 2011 and been debunked.
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- When kepler died in 2013 I knew that theories like this would sprout.
Your hateful, unfounded words reveal your own ignorance, which I feel I need to exemplify. Like so.
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- It looks to me like they had a idea they liked than played with their models until they got the result they wanted.
I look forward to seeing your own freaking analysis.
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- It is very difficult to reduce earth to rubble and destroying a super earth is harder still.
You just decided this was true based on your own intuition. Almost as if you had an idea an idea you liked. Have you performed dynamical simulations on the matter?
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- If earths are uncommon then Kepler should have found none. It found very many. Just because super earths exist in a system dosen't mean earthlike planets can't.
At no point in the paper is anything directly compatible to your first point said. As for your second point, at no point is it implied that low-mass planets with and without substantial atmospheres are
mutually exclusive, which is what you seem to have read.
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- "Throwing planets into the sun I don't like" is bad science.
"I don't like this, so it must be wrong" is a
logical fallacy. Moreover, to quote, "This form is especially unsound when there is no indication that A [the doubting party] is aware of the evidence given by B [the evidencing party]". As you have evidently not properly read the paper you have set out to dismiss, you only further prove this point.
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- Now people are just banking that smaller stars build planets similarly to sunlike stars.
I am aware that this is not relevant to the current subject, but I must point out that this is
again not true. Are you unaware that there are several thousand M-dwarfs in the Kepler field? Have you read anything on the subject? You should know that there are enough M-dwarf KOIs to make comparisons of the planet populations of different parts of the main sequence.
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- Or like this, making assumptions based on the interior planets kepler did find.
What is there to assume?! Kepler has shown that the rate of incidence of short-period, low-mass planets
exceeds one per star. How can one
not arrive at the assumption that such planets are normal?!
Why must you continue touting your exceptionally misguided belief of authority?!?Since you make it excessively clear you do not properly understand what you are ridiculing, I must demand that you either cease presenting unfounded, untested opinions as fact or actually
attempt to read this paper
with an open mind. If, for
whatever reason, neither is appealing, then I will be happy to educate you myself.
Now, can I present my own thoughts without it being mired by such hostile slander?
So. This work is an interesting alternative scenario compared to the work at the top of the page, since they operate at very different points in the history of the solar system. Both are made on sound footing - this one is a
natural consequence of the well-accepted grand tack model, while the other is a sensible, properly-founded consequence of dynamical chaos that matches observations. One wonders which happened here.
I posit - could they
both have occurred? It may be that close-in planet formation in protoplanetary disks like the solar one within the first megayear is inevitable, but such a system may or may not be able to fully form on such a short timescale. Perhaps, after the removal of the young inner solar system planets, enough mass remained to form another low-mass inner planetary system, that then destabilised itself at a later date? This would lead to the suspicion that the three outer modern terrestrial planets formed not too long after the outward migration of Jupiter, but Mercury was formed at a point significantly later. This would be compatible with the inevitability of material cascading into the inner solar system evidenced by this work, and the peculiar nature of Mercury and its orbit discussed by the other one.
One also wonders how common this scenario could be elsewhere. Due to the constraints of current observational timescales it is not clear how common Jupiter-Saturn-like systems are, and given Saturn's pivotal role in the grand tack model in stopping Jupiter from continuing to migrate inwards, a solar system-like current architecture may be uncommon.
So, a few points of further study relevant to refinement of these models, and understanding of the early solar system:
- When did Mercury form? Given its small size, it is possible that Mercury has been geologically stagnant since it formed, or at least that some of its surface composition is comparable to the age of the planet itself. In-situ (i.e on-surface) dating of rocks on the surface of Mercury seems like a good goal in this respect. Knowledge of Mercury's age will allow us to definitively determine the validity of the idea of auto-destabilisation of a hypothetical inner solar planetary system, and fill in some blanks in the early history of the modern solar system planets.
- Do planetary systems with long-period giant planets less often contain multiple short-period, low-mass planets like the norm? If something like the grand tack model is common in other young planetary systems, then it ought to manifest itself in the architecture of their extant interior planets, if they survived. A few good systems for study like this are already known, so dedicated radial velocity observations would be enlightening. If "normal" close in, packed, low-mass planetary systems are less common in such systems compared to those without exterior giant planets, this could be interpreted as evidence in favour of the scenario currently in question.
- When, in relation to other giant planets, did Jupiter migrate? Currently, the timescale of planetary migration is not well-known. Observationally, one can point out three extant populations of Jovian planets around sun-like stars - Hot Jupiters, "AU Jovians" (as I refer to them by), and giant planets which likely remain close to where they formed. Giant planet migration requires a significant interior mass of material, and because the star depletes mass from the inner region of its disk, it is implied that giant planets that are currently in successively closer-in of the three populations began migrating earlier than those currently further out. Establishing the timescale at which each population of planets forms, begins to migrate, and approximately reaches their modern positions, will bring information about Jupiter's time of of formation and time of migration, allowing for refinement of models of the early solar system as a whole.
As a final point to the… previous matter, I am sympathetic with Lazarus' viewpoint and agree with his statements.