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Stalker Jovian
Number of posts : 540 Age : 33 Location : Paris, France Registration date : 2008-06-16
| Subject: Definition of Super-Earth 19th June 2008, 6:50 am | |
| - Stalker wrote:
- There is a definition now as a super-earth.
A super-earth is a planet the mass of which is more important than that of the Earth but lower in 10ME
A superb earth can be: - Rocky (similar composition in the Earth) - ferrous (similar composition with Mercury) - oceanic [Covered with water and with ice (supercritical or not)] - gaseous (mini-Neptune)
Source (French) in "dernières informations" | |
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Edasich dK star
Number of posts : 2289 Location : Tau Ceti g - Mid Latitudes Registration date : 2008-06-02
| Subject: Re: Definition of Super-Earth 19th June 2008, 6:52 am | |
| Interesting. Also John M. Dollan typed a similar classification for his ArcBuilders' Universe but this one adds one more subtype | |
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Stalker Jovian
Number of posts : 540 Age : 33 Location : Paris, France Registration date : 2008-06-16
| Subject: Re: Definition of Super-Earth 19th June 2008, 7:02 am | |
| I have some questions to put you down:
What is the theoretical minimal mass for a gaseous planet?
What is the intervalley of mass for a " neptunian " planet? Is it 30MT the maximum? (HARPS had concentrated on on the study of superearths and of neprunians planets and the border was 30ME)
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Edasich dK star
Number of posts : 2289 Location : Tau Ceti g - Mid Latitudes Registration date : 2008-06-02
| Subject: Re: Definition of Super-Earth 19th June 2008, 8:49 am | |
| I think the minimum mass should be around 0.022 and upper limit 0.15 Jupiter masses. Ask Lazarus, he's got many informations | |
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Stalker Jovian
Number of posts : 540 Age : 33 Location : Paris, France Registration date : 2008-06-16
| Subject: Re: Definition of Super-Earth 19th June 2008, 9:01 am | |
| >0.15Mj = metalic hydrogen?? | |
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Edasich dK star
Number of posts : 2289 Location : Tau Ceti g - Mid Latitudes Registration date : 2008-06-02
| Subject: Re: Definition of Super-Earth 19th June 2008, 12:43 pm | |
| Yes, likely Even >0.22 Mj. Look HD 149026b 2/3rds of its mass has been found to be rocky. So does HAT-P-3b. | |
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Stalker Jovian
Number of posts : 540 Age : 33 Location : Paris, France Registration date : 2008-06-16
| Subject: Re: Definition of Super-Earth 19th June 2008, 1:00 pm | |
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Stalker Jovian
Number of posts : 540 Age : 33 Location : Paris, France Registration date : 2008-06-16
| Subject: Re: Definition of Super-Earth 20th June 2008, 2:44 pm | |
| I have another question. I know that I ask too much question. Excuse me. From what mass a superearth can have a mantel of hot ice? | |
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Edasich dK star
Number of posts : 2289 Location : Tau Ceti g - Mid Latitudes Registration date : 2008-06-02
| Subject: Re: Definition of Super-Earth 20th June 2008, 3:09 pm | |
| I don't know. Maybe 1/3rd or planetary mass. Actually I don't own such data | |
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Stalker Jovian
Number of posts : 540 Age : 33 Location : Paris, France Registration date : 2008-06-16
| Subject: Re: Definition of Super-Earth 20th June 2008, 3:18 pm | |
| I badly expressed myself. What must be the minimal mass of the planet so that of the hot ice is possible form? | |
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Edasich dK star
Number of posts : 2289 Location : Tau Ceti g - Mid Latitudes Registration date : 2008-06-02
| Subject: Re: Definition of Super-Earth 20th June 2008, 3:28 pm | |
| I don't know. Ask Lazarus | |
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Stalker Jovian
Number of posts : 540 Age : 33 Location : Paris, France Registration date : 2008-06-16
| Subject: Re: Definition of Super-Earth 21st June 2008, 6:54 pm | |
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Sirius_Alpha Admin
Number of posts : 4320 Location : Earth Registration date : 2008-04-06
| Subject: Re: Definition of Super-Earth 21st June 2008, 8:10 pm | |
| - Stalker wrote:
- Is Lazarus a member?
Yes, you must be a member to put posts on this site. This is to complicate matters a bit for spammers. I must say that I've been very busy in "real life" for the past two weeks, and I shall be so for the next two as well. As such, I don't have as much time as I would like to have available, especially for fixing the annoying grey text in the post input fields. I promise though, I will work on it when I can. _________________ Caps Lock: Cruise control for 'Cool'!
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Edasich dK star
Number of posts : 2289 Location : Tau Ceti g - Mid Latitudes Registration date : 2008-06-02
| Subject: Re: Definition of Super-Earth 22nd June 2008, 5:04 am | |
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Stalker Jovian
Number of posts : 540 Age : 33 Location : Paris, France Registration date : 2008-06-16
| Subject: Re: Definition of Super-Earth 22nd June 2008, 6:33 am | |
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Edasich dK star
Number of posts : 2289 Location : Tau Ceti g - Mid Latitudes Registration date : 2008-06-02
| Subject: Re: Definition of Super-Earth 22nd June 2008, 6:47 am | |
| Welcome | |
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Lazarus dF star
Number of posts : 3337 Registration date : 2008-06-12
| Subject: Re: Definition of Super-Earth 24th June 2008, 8:30 am | |
| Here's a phase diagram of water, you can see the hot ice phases on it. However the p/T range spanned by that phase diagram is not adequate to cover the conditions in planetary interiors. See also this paper which discusses the structures of ocean planets. The "hot ice" issue is a tricky one, as it is complicated when the planet has internal heat or contains hydrogen. For example, Neptune and Uranus are predicted to be fluid (molecular at the top of the atmosphere, ionic in the mantle) throughout their interiors, possibly with the water and ammonia transitioning to a fluid metallic state near the core (see this paper for details). Thus I am sceptical that the planet Gliese 436b is going to have a solid "hot ice" mantle, as it is a hotter planet than either Uranus or Neptune. Note that both Uranus and Neptune are too hot and dry to support liquid water in the interior: see this paper. | |
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Stalker Jovian
Number of posts : 540 Age : 33 Location : Paris, France Registration date : 2008-06-16
| Subject: Re: Definition of Super-Earth 24th June 2008, 11:32 am | |
| Tank's Lazarus
Is possible be that there is not lower border as the hot ice.
Callisto has a nucleus of constricted ice and of rock. The similar for the mantel of Ganymède. Titan has a mantel of ice constricted without rocks. | |
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Edasich dK star
Number of posts : 2289 Location : Tau Ceti g - Mid Latitudes Registration date : 2008-06-02
| Subject: Re: Definition of Super-Earth 24th June 2008, 11:40 am | |
| - Stalker wrote:
- Tank's Lazarus
Is possible be that there is not lower border as the hot ice.
Callisto has a nucleus of constricted ice and of rock. The similar for the mantel of Ganymède. Titan has a mantel of ice constricted without rocks. Yes, but objects you mean lay beyond system's snowline. It's exotic high pressure ice which plays an interesing role in Hot Neptunes, because they seem to form beyond host star's snowline (>2 AUs) and then migrate inwards, in "torch" orbits. | |
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marasama SuperEarth
Number of posts : 220 Location : Earth Registration date : 2008-04-22
| Subject: Re: Definition of Super-Earth 30th June 2008, 12:25 pm | |
| What about an Icy analog? | |
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Edasich dK star
Number of posts : 2289 Location : Tau Ceti g - Mid Latitudes Registration date : 2008-06-02
| Subject: Re: Definition of Super-Earth 30th June 2008, 2:23 pm | |
| - marasama wrote:
- What about an Icy analog?
Something like Uranus and Neptune, right? | |
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